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My name is Gail and I had an abortion

Mon Feb 1, 2010 1:52 PM EST
health, abortion, pregnant, pro-life, choice, pro-choice, anti-choice, unwanted-pregnancy, swmissourimule
By SW Missouri Mule
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Single, married, one night stand makes no difference.

Nor does past or future or dreams or goals, who I was or who I wanted to be. All that mattered was that I was pregnant and I had to make a decision, the hardest decision of my life.

My doctor had laid out the basics of birth and raise, birth and adopt, abortion, and other possibilities based on my own medical history as well as family history. He also spoke of the moral dilemma and permanence of my decision. He gave me all that he could from a medical view and suggested that if I had a belief system of prayer that I should consider that, also.

For three days I was locked in discussion, debate, argument, turmoil, pain, prayer, acceptance, and finally peace. I was not mentally stable enough to care for a child. Already treated for depression and acting on impulse, I had no routine care to offer. (It would be 30 long, destructive years before bi-polar was finally diagnosed and treated.) I knew without doubt that I would not be able to carry to term, give birth, and then let the baby go to someone else. Even as I knew I could not be a parent I also knew that I could not give up my child. It was selfish and illogical but honest. I had to make a decision that was well reasoned, that would be best for what would eventually be a child, that I would not regret in the near or far future.

We walked into the gynecologists' office. The waiting room was like any other, carpet, chairs, pictures on the wall and a corner with toys. I filled out the paperwork and waited. The nurse took me to an exam room, I dressed in a gown. She checked vital signs, asked questions, had me sign some forms. She was very gentle and focused on me. Then she lead me to the procedure room. It was bright and clean. The doctor talked with me in a calm voice. The nurse helped me lie back on the exam table and guide my legs and feet into the stirrups. The doctor asked if I had any other questions or concerns, was I afraid? No fear, just a little nervous like I always was with a pap smear. I had surgery for endometriosis a few years earlier. I wasn't supposed to get pregnant. With permission the nurse pushed a little valium in the IV.
I rose above the table and was watching the doctor at my raised knees. He was slightly bent and the nurse was exchanging instruments with him. I saw my face, the eyes staring up at the ceiling, dulled with sadness almost from birth. My arms were folded over my head and breathing was steady. I saw a slight startle in my body and wince on my face. I looked toward my knees and saw the nurse and a plastic canister. Then I was back in my body, on the table, and the doctor was finishing. I was taken to another room where I stayed for awhile. I dressed and we went home.

It's been about 33 years. I made an informed decision. I took my time and considered everything from the doctors' experience and from what I could imagine. I talked with my higher power. The out of body experience has happened only a few times in my life so I'm not sure what it is, just how it feels. In all those 33 years I have never once regretted my decision.

I am presenting very intimate details of my life. While I have shared the fact of the abortion I have never shared the experience, the emotions, and the thoughts leading up to the decision. Be respectful to me and to each other.

For another experience from a Newsvine member:
http://h-kuehn.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/05/3859982-mothers-day?

Here is story from another Newsvine member:
http://debrabsams.newsvine.com/_news/2009/06/03/2891274-abortion-a-personal-hell?

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SW Missouri Mule

This is my personal story. Be respectful or be deleted. This is not about when life begins. It is about personal choice. It is about personal protection. It is about self preservation.

  • 64 votes
#1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:06 PM EST
lauhal

Brave of you to share your story. Hopefully, your words can provide comfort to others.

  • 47 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:24 PM EST
ombra

You're right, it's about a personal choice but it's not just about self preservation, it's also about what kind of life you are able to bring into this world. There are far too many uncaring or unready parents in this world already. It's a big job and a very serious responsibility.

Thank you for coming forward.

  • 51 votes
#1.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:31 PM EST
lauhal

Oh, and I've clipped this article to several groups. :)

  • 17 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:32 PM EST
Kavidog22

Thanks for sharing you experience with all of us. Being male I could never understand the emotional aspect of an abortion from a female's perspective so it's enlightening for me to read your experience and at least gain some small insight into it...

It's personal stories like yours that give many of us on NV the opportunity to learn from one another. Regardless of our political, religious, ideological differences we all (well, most anyway) share empathy with our common experiences and we can learn from experiences that others have had that not everyone has or ever will experience......there's no greater gift than sharing your personal life under such humility and conviction....

  • 33 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:50 PM EST
Kate In Greensboro

This touched me:

It was selfish and illogical but honest.

That honesty is what matters; it's a gift that you were able to see it clearly.

Thank you for sharing your story; I know it could not have been easy.

  • 47 votes
#1.5 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:55 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

SW Missouri Mule,

Sharing this is both selfless and brave. I want to thank you for it. It will be personal stories like this one moreso than facts and statistics that will be able to help people understand why this decision must remain in the hands of the woman, and why all the necessary information needs to be available in a nonjudgmental environment.

Kate,

I agree, it is the honesty that always matters.

We can never know the circumstances of every individual. It's easy to try and make an issue like abortion black and white, oh so simple, this choice is right, that one wrong. If life were anywhere near that easy we'd all be better off. Unfortunately that just isn't the case. We don't all start from the same position, we don't all have the same parameters for our lives. We all have our own different hurdles to make, and how we make them needs to be our own decision, not forced on us by others who think they have all the answers.

  • 31 votes
#1.6 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 3:55 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Liberal Madmama, Thank you. I deliberately left out the circumstances of how and who and marital status because non of that matters. From the arguments, morality becomes the issue. By excluding those details, only the emotions, the decision and the experience matter.

  • 33 votes
#1.7 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:23 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

You're welcome SW, again, thank you for sharing your story.

  • 16 votes
#1.8 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:26 PM EST
js-445607

There are so many decisions we must make for ourselves in life that can add or detract from our experiences. Do we ever know what the end result will be? Of course we do and when that time comes it profoundly affects the way we look at the world in general. You made your choice, SW, and it was the path you needed to take. No one has a right to ever dispute this and you were brave enough to make the choice so you are off limits to anyone looking negatively toward your choice. We shape our lives as needed and when your body and your mind are in sync we usually come out pretty well. I think your seed is wonderful and I know it will help other women who had to make the same decision you made.

  • 19 votes
#1.9 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 5:26 PM EST
fugitive247

{{{Mulie}}} Thank you so much for sharing this very personal bit of experience, strength and hope.

  • 14 votes
#1.10 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:36 PM EST
ERich-356044

((((SW)))))) Hugs to you! I am so thankful for your story.

It is because of people like you that we need to stick together and keep abortion safe and legal. I believe that your ability to share what you did is awesome. Please look back with no regrets... :) You made an informed decision and your doctor was able to share with you all the options.

  • 23 votes
#1.11 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:59 PM EST
Lilith41

Sw Missouri Mule, thanks for sharing your story. I admire your courage to share something so personal. Thank you.

  • 19 votes
#1.12 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:27 AM EST
valhallaarwen

Missouri Mule, thank you for sharing this story. I don't have kids yet, I borrow because I don't know if I want to have children (I'm 40 and I come from a large family). I think it is brave what you did and you did what you felt was right for you. I wish more people would think about it. It does disturb me that I see so many people who have kids who obviously don't want them. It's not right. Also, I wish there were people who could knock the sense into the head of those parents who treat their kids like crap. I try not to watch the news because I am sick and tired of seeing folks like Casey Anthony and the girl from Arizona who might have killed her baby because she didn't want the father to have custody. Why aren't organizations (you know which ones I speak off) get mad about that ?

  • 8 votes
#1.13 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST
Kim-401394

i was very young (not Bushthesmallsoul young which includes up to 35ish), 18, stupid and having grown up in a GOParty of propaganda family.....didn't KNOW about Birth Control. With the hormones Raging AND being in that young and stupid age, unwanted pregnancy happened. I didn't even have a clue about "abortion" and my pro-life , abstinence only family took me to another state for one.
This experience allowed me to be up front and personal with the sex talk with my two kids. While I did express my desire for them to wait, I made sure that they were knowledgeable about protection cause, like I found out the hard way, things happen when the hormones are raging. While I am aware that they didn't wait until marriage, that's OK. They are over 18 and while i may not like some of their life decisions, (and they don;t always LIKE mine either) I can't order them to obey me. I taught them to think for themselves. Have absolutely no problem with that and they have to deal with the consequences like we all do. I don't have a slew of grand kids (would LIKE MORE but ONLY if they want to have them)
I have had discussions with morons who when I am pro-choice and mostly PRO-sex ed, told me that they wished me and my kids ill and lots of unwanted pregnancies . Giving MY kids the information and the tools to use that info, MY kids chances of fulfilling those moron's wishes are just about nill. Cant say the same about the kids of those moe's!

  • 15 votes
#1.14 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:37 PM EST
Lola-984242

Thank you for sharing SW Missori Mule, wonderfully written. ((Hugs))

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST
Karen in Los Angeles

Gail aka SW Missouri Mule

Thank you for sharing your story. I believe that IT IS THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE how to handle her pregnancy.

God bless you.

  • 8 votes
#1.16 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 4:24 PM EST
Paul-751012

"Be respectuf or be deleted". OK, I will be respectful, but can I disagree or will that get me deleted also?

My wife and I were finally able to have a beautiful daughter. It was a high-risk pregnancy and she had to have a cerclage and lie in bed for most of the 36 weeks, but finally being able to hold that precious, frail baby girl in our arms was the happiest, most significant moment for us. Her sweet little hands clinging to my thumb was to me like it was the first day of my life.

Before that, we lost two babies. With the second baby, a boy, my wife's water broke at the beginning of the 5th month. As we heard his heartbeat slowly fade away as the doctor said there was nothing to do but wait, we felt our hearts were dying with his. It's a pain I can't describe.

I understand the evil in our society with rape and irresponsible promiscuity; the lack of real men who live and die for their family and truly have forsaken all others. But a woman that chooses to kill her own baby is an evil I just can't fathom; it's like the ultimate disregard for human life.

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:06 PM EST
js-445607

Paul, I understand the evil in our society with rape and irresponsible promiscuity; the lack of real men who live and die for their family and truly have forsaken all others. But a woman that chooses to kill her own baby is an evil I just can't fathom; it's like the ultimate disregard for human life.

The reason you do not understand is there was no disregard for human life. There is no evil involved only protection and a decision that was very difficult to make. Do you feel like you murdered your two babies as your wife spontaneously aborted? It has nothing to do with the evils of society, Paul, and everything about self-preservation and a concern for another.

  • 15 votes
#1.18 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:23 PM EST
Paul-751012

"[it has] everything to do about self-preservation and a concern for another."

Who was concerned for the baby? She's free of her inconvenience while the baby lies dismembered in a plastic canister. But you said it right, abortion is all about self. The whole article is about me, me, me. How I felt, oh, poor me, I wasn't ready, I didn't think, etc.

Who gave us the right to think we can enjoy irresponsible sex and still cut off a human life as a consequence? Human morality in full decay.

My wife and I did everything we could to give our baby a chance, but still could not save him. It was all about him, the innocent, the unborn, our son. My wife would have given her life in an instant to give that baby a chance to live.

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 6:57 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Oh, Paul. I'm sorry you saw my pregnancy as an inconvenience. I was in immediate concern for myself but long term for what would be a child. Please read it again without judgement. I put a lot in my writing and it is easy to miss some very important information. I said nothing about irresponsible sex.

However, if you want to believe that your situation is more sanctified than mine, there is nothing I can do but to ask for continued blessings in your life.

  • 24 votes
#1.20 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:06 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Who was concerned for the baby?

Hmm. And who is concerned about the millions of homeless, abandoned, abused, exploited, neglected, malnourished, undereducated, underfunded children who languish as wards of the state and or courts? In foster homes that sometimes are as bad if not worse than the situations they came from? Or children that simply fall through the cracks? Or children that are never adopted because they are born physically, emotionally, psychologically damaged? Or are born with HIV/Aids?

All these children become all our financial burdens while those mothers are free to continue their addictive habits, their irresponsible sexual habits.

It is a fact that the majority of childless couples seek only babies who are blonde hair and blue eyed. Some go to other countries instead of adopting the thousands of children who desperately want a forever home and family.

Is it fair that these children were allowed to live only to be thrown about like wasted trash by their mothers and then the system?

How is that fair to those children?

Do you think if a 2 year old sitting in squalid conditions without food or water eating its own waste watching it's drug or sex addicted mother do her thing could talk she'd thank her for giving it a life of HELL?

  • 15 votes
#1.21 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:07 PM EST
nica1829

Susi - speaking as a child that was unwanted & treated as such - sexually, verbally, emotionally & mentally abused living in poverty i can honestly tell you that i think it would have been better for my mother to abort me - why - because in the grand scheme of things - God could move me to a more loving family more easily at that point than later

  • 17 votes
#1.22 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:11 PM EST
Soosalah

Do you feel like you murdered your two babies as your wife spontaneously aborted?

Wow, js.

That was an unkind comparison. Two entirely different scenarios. Let's don't go attacking a couple who lost a child through no fault of their own.

You may not agree with Paul, but you don't need to make remarks like that. Kindness goes both ways.

  • 7 votes
#1.23 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:12 PM EST
Lola-984242

speaking as a child that was unwanted & treated as such - sexually, verbally, emotionally & mentally abused living in poverty i can honestly tell you that i think it would have been better for my mother to abort me - why - because in the grand scheme of things - God could move me to a more loving family more easily at that point than later

Sounds like you and I have a lot in common nica1829, except I didn't live in poverty, it wouldn't have mattered though, it was still horrible.

  • 7 votes
#1.24 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:14 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Nica, that is such a horrible life to have endured and Im sorry you had to. Not knowing anything about you I am sure you have come out of that stronger.

But to me it is such a sad, sad, tragic thought to go through life with that no matter what you make of your life from where you came from that you still wish your mom had aborted you.

That's more of a tragedy to me.

If aborting a child is murder than so is subjecting a child to a life of pain and suffering.

  • 8 votes
#1.25 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:16 PM EST
nica1829

Lola - it doesn't matter how much money when you have to deal with all that other stuff - half the time i don't know how i made it through - searching for love - doing anything to get that love - never really finding it -

  • 7 votes
#1.26 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:22 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Exactly. Nica you were given the ability to breathe as a human being just not live like one because your spirit was murdered by the life your mom forced you to endure.

Allowing you to live but not giving you a life that you deserve isn't caring about you.

It's about their own hangups and selves and the pressures of others.

  • 9 votes
#1.27 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:27 PM EST
nica1829

Susi - and so many people do not get that

the worst thing - i was the last of 6 children - and she didn't want any of us - proven today - she has contact with one of us - my brother because he owns the apartment she lives in

  • 6 votes
#1.28 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:31 PM EST
kj031056-1

My wife would have given her life in an instant to give that baby a chance to live.

But would you?

  • 4 votes
#1.29 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:32 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

GGM Susi, We never know how things will turn out in our lives. I made the best decision I could with what I knew and what I was given. My situation was mine. Paul's was his. There is no comparison. Wanting children then losing not one but two, then having a very difficult pregnancy with the third makes babies even more precious to him. He can't see how anyone would throw away a chance when it was so difficult for him and his wife. I understand. I only wish that he would understand my situation a little better. That's all.

  • 11 votes
#1.30 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:35 PM EST
Lola-984242

nica1829,

I hope you find it if you haven't already. We can never give up.

  • 4 votes
#1.31 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:36 PM EST
nica1829

Lola - i make do - i have two great children - been married 25 years (to the guy that i got pregnant with when i was 15) - but there is no love - i thought there was but when you grow up as i did you really do not know what it is - i hope you were more successful than i in that area

  • 4 votes
#1.32 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:40 PM EST
GoldenGateMami_Susi

SW

We all have stories and lives and experiences. We all make choices. Are the choices we make today the same as we'll make tomorrow. Who knows. There will be much life lived in between those 2 points. You are right no one with 100% certainty know how anything or anyone will turn out. That is all left up to destiny, fate, faith, God and everything in between.

I miscarried twins my first pregnancy. And I have had to have 1 medically necessary abortion. I see both sides. But I also know that for some reason those babies weren't meant to be and I somehow think their spirits were saved from an uncertain future because no one ever knows how things will turn out.

  • 9 votes
#1.33 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:58 PM EST
js-445607

Here's where I have a problem with Paul and asking about his babies was in no way an attack, just a question stemming from his opinion. Men often want sex and do not think of the circumstances. If conception happens they either want it aborted or want no responsibility if it is brought to full term. Men do not want to support the children they seed so many women are forced to accept federal or state money to help them survive. If this happens these same men start gripping that all these women popping out kids always want to be on the dole. Some say don't feed them! A tortured child is not going to be happy it was born necessarily until and unless they grow up strong in themselves regardless of the abuse. So, Paul is against abortion and states this loud and clear on his post. He has no concern for SW's article or her reasons; he only lays judgement upon her.

Paul said, "Who was concerned for the baby? She's free of her inconvenience while the baby lies dismembered in a plastic canister. But you said it right, abortion is all about self. The whole article is about me, me, me. How I felt, oh, poor me, I wasn't ready, I didn't think, etc."
Who gave us the right to think we can enjoy irresponsible sex and still cut off a human life as a consequence? Human morality in full decay.

I think this is far crueler than my comment simply because Paul refuses to see the circumstance and is blinded by his own opinion that any woman getting an abortion is all about self.

  • 8 votes
#1.34 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 8:04 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

js, I felt that his comments were based on misinterpretation of my writing. He sees every baby, even unborn, as extremely precious because he and his wife suffered so much emotional pain during the pregnancy. His view will obviously be different from mine.

At 17 I thought I wanted a large family. By 22 I was afraid to have any. I thought that if I would become stable and did want children I would adopt. It did not matter if they were my flesh or not. I had a hysterectomy a few years later because of the endometriosis. By then I was using alcohol to self-medicate, to try to feel normal, trying to stop the racing thoughts and constant chatter in my mind.

  • 7 votes
#1.35 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 9:26 PM EST
js-445607

I did have a problem with his words, SW, sorry about that. It was the irresponsible sex remark that was the worst.

I am with you on adoption and know from my own experience with friends that if you can bond any old side baby will do. I did infant care for a Downs syndrome baby when my son was 9 months to her 10 months. She melded right into the family and was a tease, very spirited and a very skilled in communicating her thoughts. I have many Chinese girl friends that were adopted by friends and we bonded immediately. My friends could not have children and spontaneously aborted several times before giving up so they adopted. My friend with the Downs daughter had no more children but trained as a special education teacher to be competent to raise her child. My point is we all suffer in life through one event or another, but when our suffering clouds our reason for another's suffering it is time to step back before judging that person.

  • 11 votes
#1.36 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:11 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

js: "but when our suffering clouds our reason for another's suffering it is time to step back before judging that person."

js, excellent observation.

  • 8 votes
#1.37 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:32 PM EST
Lola-984242

Lola - i make do - i have two great children - been married 25 years (to the guy that i got pregnant with when i was 15) - but there is no love

Wow nica, so young to be making adult life altering decisions, but how could you have known. Bless your heart.

I sent you an e-mail, I hope it helps.

  • 5 votes
#1.38 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:42 PM EST
Sara G.

My wife and I were finally able to have a beautiful daughter. It was a high-risk pregnancy and she had to have a cerclage and lie in bed for most of the 36 weeks, but finally being able to hold that precious, frail baby girl in our arms was the happiest, most significant moment for us. Her sweet little hands clinging to my thumb was to me like it was the first day of my life.

Paul, I think that you are comparing apples to oranges here. You and your wife "wanted" a baby, that says it all. Of course you would not consider abortion, it was not a choice that you and your wife needed to make.

I think that so many times, and in most instances, people who "want" children and cannot have them project their feelings onto everyone else, thus making it hard for them to understand how anyone else could choose to have an abortion instead of a darling , little baby!

Paul, people ask all the time, "when do you think life begins, it is ALWAYS a baby"....these are people who want a baby, who are prepared, ready and willing to do whatever it takes to bring the infant into their lives. You cannot visit your feelings about your wifes pregnancy on anyone else.

I don't find it the least bit surprising that you do not understand, or that you refuse to even try. I think that all of us here are very happy that you and your wife were able to finally have the baby you hoped for....also I'm sure more than one heart broke when reading about your son....such a shame, so sad....I'm sorry for your loss.

I think the bottom line is, many peoples minds are closed as to how anyone else could feel differently than they do....it really is a matter of respecting people for being people, humans...people who have to make choices daily in order to get through from morning till night...some times those choices are as easy as the color socks to wear....other times it's more difficult, and involves a lot more thought.

Irresponsible sex....no Paul....not always. And again, it really wouldn't matter if it were....if the pregnancy were not intended...it really doesn't matter how it happens.

A woman should have the right to choose whether or not to be pregnant.

~Sara

  • 14 votes
#1.39 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 1:00 AM EST
DragonWoman

She's free of her inconvenience while the baby lies dismembered in a plastic canister. But you said it right, abortion is all about self. The whole article is about me, me, me. How I felt, oh, poor me, I wasn't ready, I didn't think, etc.

Paul... the essence of what "the baby lies dismembered" is already gone.... as much as someone who has died after a long life.

And you obviously did not read her account of the story. It was not a decision about her and her alone. And you obviously have no have no clue as to what Bi-polar is and what it is like to have it.

  • 16 votes
#1.40 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:03 AM EST
Nan-813417

I admire you for posting this, Gail. I also covet your tinsel tiara. Guess me and Cat will have to settle for plain-old ordinary tinfoil hats. But we're just a couple of old barn cats, nothing special. Hugs to you. Nan.

  • 8 votes
#1.41 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST
Nan-813417

I'm also with Nica, btw. It would have been a far better thing for my parents to have me aborted than to endure what I had to endure. Sometimes you can damage a human being beyond repair. At times, I fear that is so in my case.

  • 10 votes
#1.42 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Nan, there is no such thing as beyond repair. As long as there is a spark in your eye, as long as you have a cat, there is good material to work with. If you use tinfoil, make it like a headband that sits around the top of your head. You may still pick up AM stations but if it sounds like Rush try turning it to the left till you tune him out.

  • 11 votes
#1.43 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST
belle42

Darn it, I can't have a cat. I'm so SCREWED!! :P

  • 6 votes
#1.44 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:27 PM EST
DragonWoman

Belle... get a dog then... LOL.... or a bird (I don't know if I could deal with all the chirping... but my cats would be thrilled)

Nan... I have found laughter to heal quite a bit... not all .... but enough to carry on.

  • 8 votes
#1.45 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 8:38 AM EST
belle42

Can't...I live in an apartment. No pets.

  • 5 votes
#1.46 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:01 AM EST
DragonWoman

That sucks!!!! I hate those apartments.

  • 8 votes
#1.47 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:46 AM EST
Hekofawoman

Fish work - lol

  • 5 votes
#1.48 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:10 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Realistic looking cat in the window?

  • 4 votes
#1.49 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:44 PM EST
belle42

Chia pets! :)

  • 6 votes
#1.50 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST
Hekofawoman

A bird ? A nice domestic parakeet:)

  • 4 votes
#1.51 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:57 PM EST
DragonWoman

I have adopted a fictitious puppy on YoVille (Facebook) .... and Horses, bulls, sheep, chickens, cats, ducks, geese, and a penguin on FarmVille.................ROFL ;)

  • 4 votes
#1.52 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:56 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Crack me up DW....can you adopt a little piglet for me....I hear they are really smart and they are just adorable....lol

  • 3 votes
#1.53 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:59 PM EST
js-445607

All I have for pets are Madagascar geckos and cockroaches. The geckos eat all the baby cockroaches so I rarely get to see one in its maturity unless it's lying with its feet in the air on the sidewalk. We do what we've got to do to make our lives fulfilled.

  • 3 votes
#1.54 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 11:31 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

js, are you in prison?

  • 2 votes
#1.55 - Sat Feb 6, 2010 11:42 PM EST
belle42

Some prisons don't have bars -- you should know that mismule :P

  • 2 votes
#1.56 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 12:04 AM EST
js-445607

Nope, friends, I am on the island of Hawaii right out in the wide open. Prison was all so many years ago with bad choices in men.

  • 3 votes
#1.57 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 12:08 AM EST
Hekofawoman

js - I lived in Hawaii for accumatively 15 years....all broken up of course. I use to collect gecko eggs when I was a kid and they'd hatch in my room - my mother would kill me, since she always knew what was in my hand.....no fun. I also brough baby horny back toads home, not the big ones, yuk = but no cockroaches, just can't do them.....you'd have to kill me. lmao

  • 2 votes
#1.58 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 12:20 AM EST
belle42

See what I mean -- Hawaii...prison without bars :P

just joking luv, I'm jealous!!

  • 3 votes
#1.59 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:30 AM EST
js-445607

The world's largest open-air sanitarium! I don't do cockroaches, really, but they don't bother me.
When I was little I would bring frog eggs home and hatch them out in the house. They'd be in hoppy heaven but Mom was not amused.

Cockroaches, whiteflies, moths, mosquitoes and stinkbugs should have some kind of birth control.

  • 3 votes
#1.60 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 4:45 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Where in Hawaii are you? I lived in Mililani Town....or are you on the Big Island? I hated Hawaii when I was little, but later it was better, but the jobs are hard to come by as I'm a toe head, freckled face gal....so I became an Employment Counselor...go figure. I did love the fact that there aren't any snakes there, that is a good thing;)

  • 3 votes
#1.61 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 10:22 PM EST
DragonWoman

Dkaz has mentioned Gekos in Florida... and I hear the cockroaches fly in Hawaii...

  • 3 votes
#1.62 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST
js-445607

The cockroaches are huge but where I live we don't get many and I'm all for that. The Madagascar Geckos are the kind GEICO uses in the insurance commercials. They are so wonderful and kind of silly. The ones on our lanai are not afraid of us and we certainly enjoy their antics. The tiny baby ones are like puppies as they wag their tails when they stop to look around and when they jump from one place to the next the put their little fingers over the edge and brace themselves, wagging their tails and balancing.

I live in Kailua-Kona on the Big Island. I am 12 minutes from the most fascinating and beautiful beach. The humpback whales are migrating now and this is so amazing and entertaining to watch. There are so many spinner dolphins romping on the water. The whales will jump completely out of the water and defy the gigantic weight and size of their bodies. They are also very playful and some come within a football field of shore. It is a true paradise here.

  • 2 votes
#1.63 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 6:18 PM EST
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Indepvoter

Bravely told story!

  • 27 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:26 PM EST
ricksuth

I can almost feel your pain. After my daughter was born, my wife was in the hospital for 5 days due to alot of blood loss. It was recommended that we wait at least 5 years before trying for any more. Nine months later she was pregnant again. We went back to the same doctor that delivered my daughter and he told us he can't tell us what to do, and usally don't recommend aborting a child, but there was a good possibility my wife would not make it if she deliverd another child with me (I'm 6ft weighed 9+ at birth, she is only 4'11" and about 85 lbs at the time). It took alot of soul searching, but our higher power was looking out for us. We chose having the child and it turned out to be a text book delivery. Happy healthy little boy. She got fixed after that scare so we would not have to go through that again. But my heart goes out to you my dear lady

  • 32 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:31 PM EST
US Citizen-658112

I applaud your courage and selflessness ... yes selflessness ... in your carefully considered thoughts about what that child - if it had indeed been carried to term - might have had for a life. If you - as the surprised person - cannot see the ability to care for the child according to your own beliefs about what would be a "proper" upbringing, then I again, respect and support your decision making rationale as to how to proceed further in the matter.

There are numerous and uncounted spontaneous bodily induced pregnancy endings...most seen by the female as only a "late, heavy menses". If the body - or GOD - has seen fit to reject a pregnancy, why then cannot the Mother also do what is right for her child also?

You are a respectable, valuable human being.

Thank you for sharing your experience with us all.

  • 34 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:42 PM EST
weRdoomed

Thank you for sharing your experience. You conveyed it beautifully, with such humility and clarity.

It will certainly comfort many, many women who share in this experience.

  • 21 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:47 PM EST
Wheel

Hi Gail,

I posted a seed a few weeks back, an article by an abortion doctor. I think you might find it interesting.

Here is the link.

  • 16 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 2:52 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Thank you, Wheel. A good perspective from a doctor who is also a woman and mother.

  • 18 votes
#6.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 3:20 PM EST
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nica1829

Gail - you are braver than i - although i too have mentioned on threads that i have had an abortion i don't think i could lay out all that you did - it takes courage to do that and i applaud you for it because as an experienced person in this situation you bring to the table a side that those that have not gone through it can see -

  • 27 votes
#7 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 3:02 PM EST
Hekofawoman

nica - I will come behind you for what you said "Gail, you are braver then I". Yes Gail, you are much braver then I! You madea decision I was very incapable of making. I had no business having children, ever and I did. I love my girls, don't get me wrong, but a mother it does not make me. I had way too many unresolved issues in my life, bad role models and no support. I was married to an abusive man, in every way, hell I was afraid to tell him I was pregnant, both times. Becauce I was married, I took the easy way out I suppose you could say. Easy, cause it made me "appear" normal on the outside, it was selfish. A hope from them that my life would somehow be better. for having them. It wasn't. I live with the reminders daily of what a failure I was. I left their father, it was doomed from the get go, but then again I didn't have the courage then to walk away even though I knew it. My girls love me, but they have no respect for me as I am not capable of living a life like they see others having. They tell me that all the time. I commend you for not being selfish, for thinking beyond yourself and actually making a stand for knowing your limitations at the time. I lived in so much fear already, what was I thinking. I didn't even know what was right, I let others think for me as that was all I knew. Thanks for sharing your most inspiring story - I hope others will seriously consider the long term consequences of having children, while we may "want" them, it doesn't, as in my case, (not yours) that I had a right to have them. You Gail, have made the point that I am now sharing from the other side. Thank you, Trish

  • 12 votes
#7.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:34 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

My sweet Hek. You know I love you , girl. If you were afraid to tell him you were pregnant then, you were certainly too afraid to do anything on your own. We do the best we can. Your girls are doing fine and they have you, no matter how goofy you are, to come to. They know that you love them and sometimes that's all they need.

  • 10 votes
#7.2 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:03 AM EST
Hekofawoman

Hi Gail, they do fine because they have their father, not me. They make sure I know it daily. I am right now, vacant of emotion. They have asked me numerous times why I had children and that I shouldn't have. Salt in the heart is a painful thing, but it's always been that way. I asked them, why would you have rather not been born and they say, we wouldn't know the difference. Out the mouth of babes, huh.

  • 8 votes
#7.3 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 12:36 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Honey, if I could hold you now I would. Then we could have a nice cup of cheer and say good bye to the mistakes made and good morning to, "That's OK my lovely daughter. I can't change what's been done but I'll love you no matter who you are."

  • 9 votes
#7.4 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 1:40 AM EST
Hekofawoman

That's pretty much all I do say - I love you anyway! A cup of "tea" with you my dear would be wonderful....one of my favorite ways to relax and think. Your story is very important Gail. I don't want to steal any thunder here, not my intention. I read your whole 3 pages first and saw some of the obvious "attack" that would of course come from this personal of a story based on it's topic naturally. So I felt it would be important to share my experience (which is all I have) so from the flip side, nothing is black and white, nor simple. Each and everyone one of us is entitled to our "choices". It's not about regret at all...it's about living with our choices. I have no regrets about having my children, I love them dearly. I have to live with the circumstances I was provided with at the time and along with that comes consequences. Consequences are a different ball game altogether. I love myself enough today not to take anyone's feelings towards me too personal. And I love my girls enough to allow them theirs. That is just the way it is. I hope that helps others out there who do not understand that we all do things, as you have said, that is the best we can do at that time. Life is not easy, it's about "choices" and the minute we don't have those we are not living. I know all about that, and I will excersise all my choices today no matter what anyone thinks of me. It is afterall, all I have, all any of us truly have. It is why I respect your ability to be so honest not just not, but always. You drew me in from the get go Gail, your a great role model and friend. Hek:)

  • 10 votes
#7.5 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 2:22 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

I don't worry about the attacks of others. They have their own situations and experiences. By putting mine out there they at least see another side. I don't expect to change anyone's mind. I do hope that if someone they love is faced with the situation and does ultimately choose to abort, that they will support the person.

Tea is fine. With silly little cookies that cost too much. I'll bring an extra tiara for you.

  • 10 votes
#7.6 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:06 AM EST
DragonWoman

Hek... your girls are still young and very much stuck in the "me".

I have struggled with my mother throughout my life. I discovered at a young age (10) that she lied to me. . . and then believed she used me. All I could see was me. The more I tried to pry information from her, the less I cared to be around her... and was not shy about saying it to her.

It did not mean I did not find respect for her. It did not mean I never loved her. I found love in precious moments of the life I now look back on. I am 42 years old and yes she still pisses me off.... as I do her.

It is no accident the Mother - Daughter relation ship is bountiful with stories that Hollywood deplicts. You are not alone... nor were you the worst mother.

You are alive by the grace of God and the shear will power in that little body. That gives you and your girls time to figure things out.

Life is not easy, it's about "choices" and the minute we don't have those we are not living.

Amen!!!

  • 6 votes
#7.7 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:21 AM EST
DragonWoman

SWmule:

I was reminded of something while reading your story. Back when I was in HS, I picked up a paperback book called "The Un-Birthday". It was the story (from her vantage point) of a girl from a middle class (working class) home who found herself pregnant. Her struggle to face it and make a decision.

It took the reader through not only the process of the abortion she choose to have, but how it affected her relationship with the boyfriend after.

It was a small book, but not a light read. She did not just casually disregard the abortion as a "small procedure" and move on to a carefree life.

  • 11 votes
#7.8 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

I've known women who might act like the abortion was 'no big deal' but when alone would cry their hearts out. This is something we are built with. I realized I did not want and could not be around children. But reading the stories here are touching my heart so deeply. I love them but they scare and confuse me and I would rather be in a room full of rabid cats than around a few children.

  • 9 votes
#7.9 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:31 AM EST
js-445607

My mother had an affair and conceived me. She was married with three children by her husband. I know that if abortion were legal I most likely would not be here now with the set of parents I got and may have ended up in another family instead. My mother resented me completely and accused me of ruining her life. She didn't bother to tell me why I'd ruined her life but hinted that God was going to get me for being so bad. She would give the three other kids gifts and say, "You can't have any and someday you'll know why". It was very frustrating for me to love someone who resisted loving me. The ironic part of my story is the man who raised me; her husband treated me wonderfully and fair. He was a hard yet good man doing what had to be done in a manner that was very positive. He alluded to the "N..in the woodpile, the Portuguese milkman" but that is all the information I had until I became an adult.

Mothers and daughters often have complicated relationships and some are magnificent and others are pure hell. It always amazed me that my own mother would rather play "Poor me, ain't it awful and the Blame game" rather than enjoy what she had in life. She died when I was 20 and the release and freedom I felt later on by her death was very liberating. It was nice to not have someone continually trying to tell me what my life was and to belittle me just for the sport of it.

I was very afraid to have a baby, as I was terrified I might be a horrible mother also. However, once I gave birth I knew this wouldn't be a problem. For me, my children have been a constant wellspring of joy. I am a great mother and it's a role I was designed for and one I can excel doing. I have surrounded myself with children all of my adult life and have a way that is magic with them. I have championed their causes and have devoted myself to all children's development and wellbeing.

I believe some are designed to parent and some are not. Unfortunately, it has only been a few years since having a choice in procreating was acceptable and not frowned upon if you did not want children. I think that whole mindset that you marry, have children and be in service to others all of your life is not all it's cracked up to be. It makes more sense when we can decide for ourselves and through those decisions follow our own heart rather than go with what we think society expects.

  • 14 votes
#7.10 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 1:00 PM EST
DragonWoman

js... I relate to you quite a bit...

I was concieved from an adulterous relationship. My father was still married to his first wife, when I was born. My half sister around the time of my birth was molested by her step father... and the lives that came to be surrounding this entire mess were all affected.

I was in the dark until I was 10 and then proceded to try and pry information from my mother who told me it was none of my busness. Her friend would call me evil, and I would say that to myself.

It was not until my 20th birthday that grandma let it slip .... and it all started to make sense.

I am not mother material. I am 42 and have never been pregnant. It is not that I don't like kids.... I love my cousins children, and can share in all their lives. I now help care for my mother who has RA, and my brother who is unemployed.

I am in no place for children and doubt I ever would be. It is not the end of my world. Coming to realize, I can not change the past... is the begining of it.

  • 10 votes
#7.11 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:37 PM EST
js-445607

DragonWoman, We certainly cannot change the past but we certainly can reinvent ourselves to bring ourselves out of the horror of it. I'd look at photos of me as a child and couldn't figure out how I could be called "ugly". When I began high school I was incredibly popular, as I was so relieved to find a safe haven I engaged everyone as equals. The popular kids would challenge me but even they began to see I was no threat to anyone and only did my own thing not what others expected of me. When my daughter was born and so beautiful I decided that whatever came my way I'd win. I believe that all that whack and smack and ugly words made me so strong towards being a friend to all. I didn't like this part at all and hoped no one would have to suffer the same.

At least you don't have to have kids to be surrounded by kids. My son told me he didn't think he would ever have kids, but if he met someone with kids he'd be happy to play "stepdad" to them. My youngest daughter told me that one day she had a thought that she did not have to marry and did not have to have children. I love that they are able to say the things I could never say at their ages as I was still cluttered up with artificial guilt and artificial fear...thanks to religious dogma. I am so proud of people who pull themselves up from the ashes and create a joyful satisfying life for themselves.

  • 8 votes
#7.12 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 7:53 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Gail, (Mulie) - this has been a great post and couldn't have come at a better time for me personally. Thank you for your honesty and allowing us to expand on what you have had to go through. This has been very eye opening! Choice, it doesn't matter what choice one makes, we will never truly know the outcome, for we are not fortune tellers, nor God - we live with what we decide daily, and we die when we can't do anything, choice is all we have. I admire anyone that practices that. And then is our life lived. Love ya Hek:)

  • 10 votes
#7.13 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:10 PM EST
DragonWoman

I will 2nd that one Hek =}

JS... what I find I am most grateful for his holding on to this world. Believe me there have been times when I have had enough. No life is still no bed of roses... but it has its moments of unbelievable beauty... and to just be in the presence of it... I am grateful to God for it.

I'd look at photos of me as a child and couldn't figure out how I could be called "ugly".

I was never "evil".... but I have been misguided.

  • 7 votes
#7.14 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:47 AM EST
Holly-348328

I'm so sorry that you both had to endure that, js & DragonWoman. I don't understand how you could be mean to a baby or child under any circumstances, let alone your own. I've never seen your faces of course, but I know you are both beautiful, kind and have incredible character.

My mom used to pummel me with verbal abuse also. I'm not sure why; she didn't have an affair. I think she was jealous of my relationship with my dad, because I was a Daddy's girl. She used to call me "fatso" (I wasn't overweight but developed early, and it wasn't like no one at school called me names too), referred to me sarcastically as "the queen", the 'b' word and wouldn't hesitate to use physical violence as well.

I guess she had two miscarriages before I was born, so I was planned. I used to wonder why she even had me because it seemed like she just hated the sight of me. We get along now, but it took 25 years to make it happen.

  • 9 votes
#7.15 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 11:44 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Hek, as long as it is our choice. That is what free will is all about. It is never the wrong choice as long as it is ours. Whatever we call God, the positive force of the universe, it is always available for us and we just need to open our eyes.

DW, I used to hate winter in MO until I lived in FL for some years. I came back here to visit a friend who took me to a lake with bluffs and green cedars and naked oaks and hickory. The branches and limbs woven together like old crochet with holes and tight spots and pulls here and there. The trunks were thick with rough checkered bark and gray green moss frosting. Around the base were big rocks crowded by dried grass and small brushy plants holding tight to last years spent flower heads. I love Missouri in the winter.

  • 6 votes
#7.16 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 11:47 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

#7-16 I meant to address js not DW. oops. I'm slightly mis-arranged this morning.

  • 4 votes
#7.17 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 11:54 AM EST
Donkey_Odie

The branches and limbs woven together like old crochet with holes and tight spots and pulls here and there. The trunks were thick with rough checkered bark and gray green moss frosting. Around the base were big rocks crowded by dried grass and small brushy plants holding tight to last years spent flower heads. I love Missouri in the winter

Thanks, now I'm homesick.

  • 4 votes
#7.18 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 12:35 PM EST
js-445607

What I found is a profound and deep dedication to the wellbeing of everyone on the planet through my experiences as a child. I guess I came out of the womb with a smile and kindness in my heart. It is easy for me to forgive and move on. I feel truly blessed as I have the most amazingly loving family and we are completely connected in joy. We have no problems only situations we know have solutions. If I had not struggled or found myself in precarious situations would I be as compassionate? I would hope so, but through it all I achieved awareness like none other and manage to see beyond what is right in front of me. I see life as an intricately woven tapestry where after a long time the flaws only add to its beauty.

  • 6 votes
#7.19 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 1:02 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

I'm sorry, Donkey. I looked for a photo but nothing to match the mental image. It's starting to snow and I needed to go to town. It's a long 7 miles if the truck starts sliding on the ice. I haven't been away from the house since Thursday.

  • 7 votes
#7.20 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 1:24 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

js, our burdens can make us stronger, our mistreatments can make us kinder. It is our choice but some of us take longer to figure that out. That's why we need each other.

  • 6 votes
#7.21 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 1:29 PM EST
DragonWoman

sw.mule....

It is ok... cause I live in upstate NY... and I am sick of winter...

I appreciate your comment (and quite poetic)... Last year there was an ice storm that cause everyone grief.... but the following week... if you could have driven down the NYS thruway and seen the trees sparkle like diamonds.... breathtaking...

  • 2 votes
#7.22 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM EST
nica1829

DW - where in Upstate are you? Rochester girl here

  • 2 votes
#7.23 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST
Justme-517872

mmmm...upstate in the mountains has got to be one of the most beautiful spots in the U.S.!!! I was really impressed with how serious everyone seemed to be about protecting the environment and keeping it beautiful.

Sorry. Just had to add that in. That was one of my best "spur-of-the-moment" roadtrips ever!!

  • 2 votes
#7.24 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM EST
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RACHEL1-933952

Thank you for sharing a very personal and thought provoking experience. I applaud your intelligence and courage!

  • 19 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 3:03 PM EST
praisetruthDeleted
Carolyn Johansen

I am sorry for your loss.

  • 13 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:11 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

praisetruth, some of the strongest and most amazing women I have met said the same as you:

I believe our struggles and how we handle them shape who we become.

Although you think you made mistakes, they led to your little girl finding a better life. You are at peace with your decision. That is how it should be. Thanks you so much for sharing an intimate part of your life. Thank you for showing another way to navigate through the decisions and the outside forces that may help or hinder our lives. You have a heart full of love.

  • 23 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:14 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

Gail, Your truths are between you and your God and/or beliefs. Not ours. Please understand, that I am NOT for abortion however, I would NEVER presume to judge God's will or your free will (Every life has a story). May God continue to bless you as always. I'm so sorry you went through so much pain. :(

  • 17 votes
Reply#12 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:19 PM EST
Karen in Los Angeles

Mrs. D - I do not understand your comment. It seems to me that you could have just said - we all have the power to choose - but instead your post smacks of "I'm holier than thou."

  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 4:26 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

I'm sorry you took it that way Karen. I'm especially sorry to you Gail if you felt the same way.

  • 1 vote
#12.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 5:03 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Mrs.D. I know what you meant. The pain was in the three days of struggle before making the decision. The soul is judged my the Maker or Higher Power and not by man/woman. Others have said they are against abortion but believe it should be the woman's choice. Those who are pro-choice are not pro-abortion, no one is. We want to see the need for abortion decrease and it can only be done through education and birth control - which includes abstinence for those who feel comfortable with that choice.

Karen, it's OK. Mrs. D. and I have met on another issue and I can assure you she is just as holy as you are me. That doesn't mean she doesn't have better connections...

  • 4 votes
#12.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:22 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

I'm happy you understand Gail...

  • 2 votes
#12.4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 7:38 PM EST
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River-239955

Thank you, Gail, for sharing your story as well as your thoughts here. Well-written, well-conveyed, well-done......

Women deserve the right to make the decisions that will dictate their lives, and abortion is one of the many, many factors that empower us to make our lives our own.

  • 18 votes
Reply#13 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:33 PM EST
LifeTravler

Thank you for sharing your story. I shared mine a while back. It's on my column somewhere. We all have to do what we have to do. All situations are not the same. I just don't have the words right now because it' s just NOT an easy decision.

  • 19 votes
Reply#14 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 4:44 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

So true, LT. I'm trying to find your story. With your permission I will link it here.

  • 16 votes
#14.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 5:18 PM EST
LifeTravler

You have my permission to link my story. Although our circumstances were different, the decision was still difficult.

  • 5 votes
#14.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 6:58 PM EST
LifeTravler

I'm crazy as a loon, but I know I wrote that article. I know I did. It should be on my column, but it's not. I'm going to check my history. I could have sworn I saw it early this morning. ----------------> LT runs off mumbling under her breath.

  • 5 votes
#14.3 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:11 AM EST
LifeTravler

Okay, sorry, y'all. I don't know why the article doesn't show on my column anymore, but I did find it. Here is the story. Crud, now my link thingy isn't working.

http://debrabsams.newsvine.com/_news/2009/06/03/2891274-abortion-a-personal-hell

At any rate, after reading all the comments, and thinking about Gail's article, although I don't like the idea of abortion...... I wouldn't think that most women make that choice lightly.

  • 5 votes
#14.4 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:24 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Life Travler, thank you so much for finding and linking your article. Your experience is so completely different from mine. This shows how unique each of us are and how we all have to consider our own situations very carefully. You were too weak to stand up to your partner and therefore had no chance to think for yourself. Then going alone, how controlling he was. We do need to acknowledge our actions but we don't have to live them forever. This was a time when you had little to no control of your own life. Obviously you learned from that and by telling your story you are helping others.

  • 6 votes
#14.5 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:01 AM EST
js-445607

When abortions became legal many men found a way out for unwanted pregnancies. It was an absolute boon for some as they could worry less about birth control and concentrate on the sexual act. My husband talked me into an abortion and when I was in the clinic I spoke to many of the other women there. They were very candid and I gleaned a wellspring of information from them. There were affairs where one woman was married and two others were simply in a relationship that included sex, there were a couple of women who were scared to death their parents would find out and be unforgiving. It was a time when friends with benefits, living together were very much frowned upon. What I noticed is that the decision was made and the women involved took this in stride as much as possible. None took abortion lightly. Because of my beliefs I knew that soul that wanted me would either wait or find another host so as hard as it was for me I made myself move on. We divorced and I began dating a man I thought was a safe bet. He was a Psychiatric Social worker at a mental hospital and seemed compassionate and understanding when I told him I needed time to get to know him before we entered into a sexual relationship. He raped me and I conceived. I did not get an abortion as I thought maybe this time my buddy had an another chance with me. This child is a wonder and so bonded and we are solidly connected to each other. When the time came for me to tell him of his conception I told him that his father had many fine qualities he refused to use and this is what I created him from. I adore life and its funny little quirks and feel my experiences have made me so much more open, compassionate and gave me the ability to use reasoning and logic to make problems into situations and find comfort and solutions much easier.

  • 6 votes
#14.6 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 1:29 PM EST
LifeTravler

Gail said, "This was a time when you had little to no control of your own life. Obviously you learned from that and by telling your story you are helping others."

Yep, our experiences were vastly different. As horrible as the experience was for me, I had time later on to realize that my poor unborn child would have probably lived a miserable existence with me being scared out of my mind, and a man who didn't want to be his/her father.

Later on, I had two children with this same idiot. I caught nothing but grief from him for both pregnancies. He was all right with the first pregnancy, but when I became pregnant again with the second one, he wanted me to have an abortion. I refused. Now, keep in mind that the second pregnancy came about because I told him we couldn't have sex because I was out of birth control pills until I had my doctor's appointment. He wasn't having any of that. So, bam, pregnant again.

We wound up separating when my second child was 4 months old. I became a single parent of a baby and a toddler. It's not something I would recommend to anyone. He did help support them monetarily, but I often look back and wonder how the hell I did it.

Parenthood is NOT for everyone. It's hard!!!

  • 8 votes
#14.7 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 3:18 PM EST
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Justme-517872

Wow...that's my first reaction. You are one brave lady! The simplisity and honesty are almost as powerful as the obvious courage you have in posting it.

Your story is a great example of why abortion should not be banned regardless of how we feel about it and I hope it makes people stop and think. As another person said it is not a black and white issue as some would like to believe.

I also have great respect for the fact that your responsibility to a child was a major consideration. In my extended family I've seen child after child pay dearly for their parents and it is a huge sore spot with me.

Thank you for sharing your story and send my best wishes for peace and happiness :)

  • 18 votes
Reply#15 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 5:16 PM EST
common sense-353470

That was truly an intimate and generous look into the mind of a thinking feeling woman. Thank you for sharing your life with us.

  • 16 votes
Reply#16 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 5:41 PM EST
LanaD

That was a very moving (and hopefully eye opening for a few) story. The choice to abort is not as easy as some Pro-Lifers like to make it out to be. Not everyone regrets their choice, as they also like to believe. Its much easier to hate someone when you demonize them. Its also much easier to bend people to your will with a little guilt and fear.

  • 16 votes
Reply#17 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:11 PM EST
rottlady

Bravo to you for sharing this very personal experience with us Gail. You are one brave lady and I salute you!

  • 12 votes
Reply#18 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:48 PM EST
belle42

You are so much braver than I am. My family doesn't even know I made a similar choice and they will probably never know.

  • 16 votes
#19 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:49 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Belle, although I am very open, I have not found it necessary to tell many about my abortion. In the family only mom and I shared butit was long after. She told me of her experience before they were legal. As she told be of the hemorrhaging I began to remember when she was sick. I was about 4. I remember the bleeding and going to the hospital. Your family does not need to know.

Dear God don't ever make us go back to those days.

  • 28 votes
#19.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:32 PM EST
belle42

I've only told 2 people (other than having to disclose it on all subsequent health documents) -- the man it involved and my subsequent (now ex) husband. Even my best friends don't know this about me, mainly because they would never understand.

  • 18 votes
#19.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:02 PM EST
js-445607

SW and Belle, I have found that making this decision stirs up a lot of questions and thoughts. It is difficult when friends and family cannot be included in your choice.

SW, Your decision led you to hear about your mother's experience before abortion was legal. I knew a few women who did the same as you mother and they were so frightened and alone facing someone they had to trust without knowing if they were trustworthy. I believe the sadist part is a couple of these women were married and their husbands refused to allow them to give birth, but when it came to having the procedure they were no where in sight. The same with the single women. So whenever men harp, holler and shake their fists at pro-choice groups I always remember my friends.

  • 15 votes
#19.3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:44 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

I was the eighth child born by the time she was 35. She was already a grandmother. She just could not have one more child. Two or three years later my little brother was born. Mom was 42. Thankfully he was the last.

  • 15 votes
#19.4 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:57 PM EST
js-445607

Those days were so difficult for women as we did not have a say in what went on with our bodies or our minds. I would not want a reversal to those days as so many of us suffered at the hands of others, as we virtually had no worth.

  • 16 votes
#19.5 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:09 AM EST
DragonWoman

She told me of her experience before they were legal. As she told be of the hemorrhaging I began to remember when she was sick. I was about 4. I remember the bleeding and going to the hospital. Your family does not need to know.

Dear God don't ever make us go back to those days.

AMEN!!!

I saw an HBO show on a series of stories of women having an abortion or deciding against one.

I will never forget the one story where the woman played by (Demi Moore) was lying on her kitchen table. Bleeding out, after a doctor (fly by night one) came to her door and performed the abortion right there.

  • 6 votes
#19.6 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 9:31 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

DW, I don't know if I could watch that alone. When I think of what women went through it scares the hell out of me that there are those so @!$%#ing stupid as to believe we won't end up there again if RvW is overturned.

  • 8 votes
#19.7 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST
DragonWoman

I agree... the movie was shocking .... every story covered peices of the issue. Sissy Spacik played a woman with several children under 7 years old... and found herself pregnant again. He husband is pro-life, but never around to help her... and she is overwhelmed.

Anne Hecht played a college student and Cher played the doctor performing the abortion. She was shot down in her own office in front of Hacht's character.

The husband of Demi Moore's character went off to war and left her there (can't remember if he died) she slept with his much younger brother in one moment of desperation... and she was a nurse.... Her mother in law was no help and she was left to fend for herself.

What strikes me about your story, as in the story in that book I mentioned earlier... is that it is not the cardboard cut out of Me me me.... it is not that cut and dry... our choices in life never are... and you never forget.

Don't get me wrong, I have heard some young women say things that just make me shiver. I was watching a show called Loveline, and one of the "callers" said she was 21 years old and can not stop lactating. She had been pregnant 4 times since she was 15 or 16, and only had 1 miscarriage.... 3 abortions.

I am pro-choice.. but I found that increadibly sad, and irresponsible. Did anyone attempt to talk to her about her choices in sex? Family planning or ways to avoid getting pregnant????

  • 5 votes
#19.8 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:47 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Dang, I guess that girl can't stop lactating, she can't stop getting pregnant. I have to think in a case like hers that something else is going on. Some of our youth are very uninformed but that almost sounds like mental problem or abuse. She might also have been, oh who knows. Planned Parenthood tries to give as much information as they can but who knows where this girl was going.

  • 7 votes
#19.9 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 7:54 PM EST
DragonWoman

I doubt she visitied Planned Parenthood. Some may be scared off by the groups in front. Some are probably told by their parents to just abstain and they don't get the information. Maybe she had a boyfriend who refuse to wear a condom and she was too weak to demand it.

The best thing to teach our "daughters" is strength of character. They can not arm them selves with just "abstain from sex" when faced with being bullied by someone they are already emotionally attracted to. That attraction is stronger than weak words.

  • 5 votes
#19.10 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:54 AM EST
Kate In Greensboro

The best thing to teach our "daughters" is strength of character.

That goes for our sons, too. Just as young women don't have to live up or down to any particular stereotypes, neither do young men.

  • 5 votes
#19.11 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:16 AM EST
DragonWoman

True that Kate....

Yes our sons need strength of character as well. But women tend to be subservient, especially when we are younger. I can not tell you how many times I have heard the expression "catch them when they are young" not only out of men but women.

  • 3 votes
#19.12 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM EST
nica1829

not to mention the fairy tales we raise our daughters on - how many of us have actually found Prince Charming our first time out? - how many frogs have we had to kiss? - and is there ever a "happily ever after" - or are we setting them up for major disappointment & too high of expectations?

  • 4 votes
#19.13 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 3:04 PM EST
belle42

nica, that's why I expose my daughter to many of the 'alternate' fairy tales that are so popular nowadays. Shrek is a good example. Sisters Grimm is one of my favorite juvenile book series right now (although waiting a year between new books that are only 100 pages long each is a bit annoying).

Also I am exposing her to the 'original' stories so she does not think the Disney version is the only one out there. Sea foam and chopped heels, enough said :)

  • 4 votes
#19.14 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:24 PM EST
DragonWoman

Got to tell you, I have shyed away from doing children's books because I have never had any. But I think about how to inspire the children of tommorrow to explore more than "hooking up", "happily ever after marriage", ....... and most especially "becoming famous". Seems like everyone wants instant fame and to be an entertainer.....

....... where are the inventors.... science students.... etc.

  • 4 votes
#19.15 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 8:42 AM EST
belle42

DW, as far as books, I'd suggest those by Danica McKellan (aka Winnie from Wonder Years). She's been writing books promoting math to girls (she's a mathematician now if I recall).

Personally, I like watching Dirty Jobs and Mythbusters with my daughter, especially because I like Kari and think she's a good role model :)

  • 5 votes
#19.16 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:04 AM EST
DragonWoman

My brother likes Myth Busters

  • 4 votes
#19.17 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:57 AM EST
Holly-348328

I like "Holmes on Homes" on HGTV. He usually has a female on his crew who will be doing plumbing, electrical work or carpentry. Marilyn vos Savant is a great role model for girls interested in higher math and science because she's very logical and has an IQ in the 200's, but I don't think she writes anything on a child's level. You might contact Scott Butki here on Newsvine because he is familiar with so many different books and authors.

  • 4 votes
#19.18 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 11:06 AM EST
Reply
GG-537707

I am just sad this life was not given a chance with a family who could have taken care of it. I understand your decision, It just would not have been mine. Respectfully in disagreement with your choice.

  • 12 votes
Reply#20 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:35 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

GG-537707, thank you for your respectful reply.

  • 17 votes
#20.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:36 PM EST
Reply
Brent-320354

Gail, you talk a lot about not regretting your decision. You also say that it took 3 days for you to make your "choice". If it was so easy to forget (no regret), why was it such a difficult decision? As a guy, I obviously could never share the experience, but it doesn't make sense to me. You make it sound like it was the best choice for everybody in the third paragraph, but I would imagine the child would've disagreed. Not trying to be mean, but I'm seeing a conflict in you about this.

Also, your "It was selfish and illogical but honest" is as honest a quote as I have ever heard on the issue.

Again, I'm not judging, just observing. btw, my views on abortion did a 180 after my first child was born. I think you were put in an impossible set of circumstances and had no easy answer.

  • 15 votes
#21 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:40 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

Not regretting a decision does not necessarily make the decision "easy to forget". Many difficult decisions are made in the course of a life. Being able to look back and feel that you did make the right decision because of the circumstances at the time does not mean that the decision is in any way forgettable.

You may not be trying to be mean, but, really, calling Gail's account of how she feels about this topic into question is utterly misogynistic. Adding in your opinion of what "the child" might have felt is low, not to mention impossible.

"I'm seeing a conflict in you about this." = Why, you just don't know what you feel, little lady.

"As a guy," + "I'm not judging." + "it doesn't make sense to me." = Poor girl, you made the wrong decision because I think it's the wrong decision, and of course, we men know better.

Now, I'm just a woman, and I'm not trying to be mean or judge you, but I sense more confusion, as well as a fear of the loss of control in you than you are admitting here. I think you're in a hard place, with no easy answers. No judgment, just sayin'.

  • 22 votes
#21.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:55 PM EST
Brent-320354

I guess I'm having trouble with the concept of having to make that magnitude of a decision, clearly with no easy answer, and not regretting it every now and then-one way or another? My wife and I briefly discussed abortion with our first child (we were young and unmarried at the time). He's 17 now and doing fine.

You can be as insulting as you want; I'm not in this for ideology. I get it; you're a liberal and want all abortions to be wonderful exercises of freedom, but they clearly are not. Gail's story illustrates the tragedy of the situation perfectly: It was a hard decision with no easy answer.

  • 13 votes
#21.2 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:01 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

Brent, Insulting meets insulting. What you are having trouble with is this: "I get it; you're a liberal and want all abortions to be wonderful exercises of freedom, but they clearly are not." They are also clearly not the easy black and white, right and wrong that the ideology you are "for" wants to pretend they are either.

BTW, deciding for me what I want "all abortions to be" pretty much belies your claim to not be in this for the ideology, not mention being an extension of your apparently inherent misogyny.

  • 14 votes
#21.3 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:06 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Brent, Thank you for your observations. By taking the three days to truly think through everything the doctor provided, what my beliefs were, what was in my head and in my heart, and the safety of what would eventually be my child, the decision I made was the only one I could make. I have reviewed that choice, that decision, at times throughout my life. I was never wrong. I was at peace before I walked into that office. I have been at peace with it ever since. I have never forgotten.

Some people were born to be parents. Some people should give birth to stuffed animals. Some are unable to cope with children and fortunate enough to recognize that before it's too late. Thank you so much, Brent, for your respectful reply. It means a lot to me.

  • 24 votes
#21.4 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:09 PM EST
Brent-320354

Liberal mama, you read insults because your idoelogy tells you they are. Gail doesn't seem to have a problem with what I said.

Gail, i'm glad you are at peace over the issue. You are welcome.

  • 15 votes
#21.5 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:13 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

Gail is a nicer person than I am, and I certainly apologize to her for responding before her.

However, I read exactly what you wrote. If you did not mean to decide for Gail how she felt, or imagine for an unborn child how it would have felt, or judge her decision as incorrect because you chose differently in an entirely different situation with an entirely different life experience, or describe to me what I want all abortions to be, then why did you? If you cannot understand why that is insulting then try putting on another's perspective for real, as opposed to merely superimposing your already existing perspective over their life and describing what you think they should feel.

  • 11 votes
#21.6 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:32 PM EST
Brent-320354

All I was saying was that I saw a conflict in her by reading her own words. And we both (Gail and I) acknowledge that it was an impossible decision for her to make.

Like I said, your ideology (your name pretty much spells it out) leads you to attack anyone that even remotely sounds as though abortions might be a bad idea.

Relax, live a little. Gail's at peace with her decision. You should be at peace with me expressing my opinions..... ;-)

  • 12 votes
#21.7 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:36 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

Gee, Brent, I'm so glad I met you so you could tell me exactly how Gail feels about everything, as well as explain to me what I think, say and do. How did I ever get along before I met a 30-something guy with all the answers like you?

I don't disagree with you because of a stance on abortion, my "ideology" is that abortion is a personal decision, not mine to say yes or no for another person. I disagree with your tactic of explaining to others what they think and feel.

  • 10 votes
#21.8 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:42 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

I'm sorry I didn't catch this sooner.

Liberal Madmama, I asked that this not be debate. Brent has an opinion and has been respectful. Please show him the respect I have.

  • 15 votes
#21.9 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:44 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

I apologize, SW, Brent opened a debate, imagining the feelings of unborn children, among other imaginings, and I engaged in it. I won't respond to him any further, if that is what you prefer.

  • 5 votes
#21.10 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:48 PM EST
Brent-320354

Liberal madmama, Gail laid out her experience in a very detailed and open manner. I read it and expressed my thoughts. I didn't imagine anything. If you are referring to my "I imagine the child would have disagreed", I think it is safe to say that anyone who is alive today would have preferred not to be aborted. It was a figure of speech.

Oh, and I'm forty-something, but thanks for the compliment.....

  • 14 votes
#21.11 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:49 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Yes, I think we should call this a difference of opinion and let it go. I prefer the discussion be about the personal reasons behind the decision to abort or carry.

  • 14 votes
#21.12 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 9:14 PM EST
Liberal Madmama

Gail, I agree.

"I imagine the child would have disagreed"

Brent,

Everyone has their own perspectives on just about anything. Imagining the above discounts all the people who are miserable for whatever reasons and are contemplating or have attempted or committed suicide. That is really my only point about any of this, telling anybody what you think they feel, or what you think they do or say dehumanizes and that is the thing I found insulting in your opinion.

As for the actual topic at hand. I have also considered and chose against an abortion. I was not as young as you were, but my life was in a precarious place. Happily for me not having an abortion and staying with the man who had gotten me pregnant was the right choice. I've never regretted it, but I certainly have also never forgotten it. ;~) All joking aside, I have also never forgotten the emotional anguish, the fear for myself and my potential child, as well as the two children I already had. This decision is not a light one, and I'm sorry if I reacted strongly to your posts. However you touched on something very true. Being a man, your perspective cannot completely comprehend what a pregnant woman is going through, and coming from a man, telling me what you know I think and do, and stating what others do or should feel in a way that fits your personal views struck a nerve. Unlike Gail, it didn't strike me as respectful, and I responded in kind.

  • 12 votes
#21.13 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 9:56 PM EST
js-445607

Brent, I think when you give birth to the child you are carrying it is a miracles among miracles. I understand what you are saying completely. It is a very hard decision and for some it just isn't going to happen no matter what and for others it is their best choice. The problem is regardless of your opinion on the subject I believe most always, and you see this in SW's case, careful deliberation is done first and foremost.

I don't think any woman needs to make up an excuse for her choices in whether or not to carry a fetus to full term. Sometime our bodies make the decisions for us and sometimes circumstances come into play. In the long run no one can really know how it feels but the woman who had to make the decision.

You were very respectful in your posts and I certainly appreciate this along with SW.

  • 14 votes
#21.14 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:53 PM EST
Brent-320354

Liberal Madmama, I admitted in my third sentence that as a guy, I could not fully comprehend what she went through. My whole point was that, after reading her entire story, I felt there was conflict from her in her statement that she does not ever regret the decision. My reasoning for that is that had my wife and I chose to abort our first, it would tear me up to see my other child knowing what we did to her sibling (I was putting myself in her situation). Seriously, I was pro choice until I had a child-it was like getting El-Kabonged..... I'm not "trying" to come across as being judgemental, but certainly see where that could be viewed by someone.

Look, I know this is a touchy subject and even thought twice before posting because it is impossible for a man to not come across misogynistic, as you put it, unless the man is pro-choice and applauds whatever decision the woman makes. I did not get upset with your attacks because I understand (not comprehend) the frustration you felt.

This is a deep subject and I could really use a rope right about now..... ;-)

js, thank you.

  • 13 votes
#21.15 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:11 AM EST
Liberal Madmama

Lol, I see your point, Brent, consider a rope extended. This is a deep subject and every person has their reasons for feeling the way they do. I have to give you credit for recognizing that. Many who are not pro-choice fail to understand that there are more than just one perspective to consider. I have children, and grandchildren (technically step-grandchildren) and I cherish each one, yet I remain firmly pro-choice because it has to be a choice. Deciding that you personally would not or could not have an abortion is a choice. Deciding that you need to have an abortion, whatever the reasons or situation may be, is also a choice. It's one that has to be considered carefully, and shouldn't be entered into lightly, but it needs to remain a choice. Some who do so have no regrets because they know they made the choice they needed to make, some have regrets and spend time rethinking and reconsidering every aspect of it. The same can be said of people who have children, though. Either way, every person has their own perspective and that needs to be respected by all of us.

  • 9 votes
#21.16 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:22 AM EST
Brent-320354

See? I'm not such a bad guy...... ;-)

Its hard sometimes to blog because we can't insert inflection in the words and readers of our posts will sometimes misinterpret. No harm-no foul.

  • 13 votes
#21.17 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:30 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Brent, I think you did very well. You understand better than most men. Perhaps because you were pro-choice you see the decision with a more open mind. Whatever, I appreciate your comments. Glad you two could find a way to get along.

  • 10 votes
#21.18 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:32 AM EST
Liberal Madmama

Brent,

True, and agreed. Internet conversations often lose something in translation. You're not such a bad guy, and maybe I'm not such an evil liberal. ;~) No harm, no foul.

  • 6 votes
#21.19 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:36 AM EST
Brent-320354

Thanks laddies-I'm outta here.....

  • 8 votes
#21.20 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:43 AM EST
Frankenstein2010Deleted
SW Missouri Mule

Thank goodness it had an ending. I hate those run on fights. Oh wait. I watch Days of Our Lives.

  • 8 votes
#21.22 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:42 AM EST
Hekofawoman

Mulie - my mother will hang up on me, yes hang up to watch "The Young and the Restless", I do declare.....like they were her life, lol Ahhh, but I understand the obsession completely. Everyone needs their escape, glamorous, dramatice and so, so,so not real....life it hard and it takes escape at time to deal with it. I watch LT movies...talk about drama, but they do have many "real" life movies which are good. Nonetheless, it's still an escape. Disney, just doesn't cut it anymore, lol

  • 1 vote
#21.23 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:47 AM EST
belle42

gasp!! wash your mouth out!! Disney still has good drama -- just watch the Pixar flicks!!

  • 1 vote
#21.24 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:28 AM EST
Hekofawoman

My bad, your right - there are some really good classic. Just haven't seen them for a long, long time. That is a good idea, maybe I'll see if I can get one of my girls to cough one up.

  • 1 vote
#21.25 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST
belle42

Just a warning -- bring kleenex for Up and Bambi :)

  • 2 votes
#21.26 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:34 PM EST
Hekofawoman

Yea, I do cry to most of them.....my fav's of course are always the tear jerkers....., a bucket and a towel will do fine! I cry a lot and the snot comes too...lol (really) I'm a sentimental say.

  • 2 votes
#21.27 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST
belle42

Hrm, Disney to not make you cry...maybe Hercules? Fantasia and Fantasia 2000?

  • 2 votes
#21.28 - Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:31 PM EST
Holly-348328

Tinkerbell might be fun to watch. I watched it with my daughter the other day and realized that at age 40 I never knew how she got her name or about the other fairies. It was fun!

  • 2 votes
#21.29 - Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:14 PM EST
js-445607

My favorites are Cars and Moster's Inc. I watched these Pixar and also Disney flicks with my very best friend all of 5 years old now. When I watched them with an adult I was so entertained. After so many years of children I find myself watching movies with them in mind. At least now I have an adult to watch with and don't feel like I need to sensor anything.

  • 2 votes
#21.30 - Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:39 PM EST
Hekofawoman

That is one of the great things about Disney, it's appealing to all ages! Like most classics, no matter how many times you see it, there is always something more to get from it!

  • 1 vote
#21.31 - Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:57 AM EST
belle42

**does the happy shiny Disney Princess dance** :P

  • 2 votes
#21.32 - Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:34 AM EST
Hekofawoman

She always dances and she always gets her prince.......ahhhhhh;) (It"s nice to get away from reality isn't it?)

  • 2 votes
#21.33 - Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:44 PM EST
js-445607

Over rated, I say! Give me Big Bang Theory and Dexter...my newest entertainment watched on the lanai on a 7" portable DVD player. I'm over that baby stuff for a week or two. Happy Valentine's Day!

  • 2 votes
#21.34 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:24 AM EST
belle42

What -- it isn't REAL?!? :P

  • 2 votes
#21.35 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:13 AM EST
Reply
Rick_VT

It is EXACTLY why this should always remain a very PERSONAL decision and NOT in the hands of any government or religious fundamentalist group that has their hand in a politicians pocket.

Nobody but you should have any right to such a decision - nuances and factors are too personal to generalize in a law.

Thank you for sharing your story.

  • 17 votes
Reply#22 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 7:56 PM EST
Undescribable

Be Honest With yourself and the Pain is Comfortably Numbed. I applaud your Candidness of this very emotional dilemma.

I have a taste for engagements as one time I noticed a sign in a bar that read Beer has been helping Men Get Laid for Generations which I laughed, although unfortunately only lasts as long as the lust is operable.

Politics plagiarizes turmoil for social reforms and special interests typically the childs is last and we wonder why people have turned cold, Notice that Wages are dropping production is increasing and Inflation has soared through the Roof The family even of (2) cannot support a single Child Unless your in Finance govt backed jub.

Last but not least You are not alone many times I wished I never had to feel the warmth or hate as I knew my genetic benefactors suffer from bi-polar, scitzophrenia, Sad and many physiological disorders that follows from abuse physical and emotional.

No ones perfect that is already considered the human factor! I wish you and your family peace and happiness! God Bless U!

  • 13 votes
Reply#23 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:05 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Undescribable, Your grasp of the mental aspectgives you greater insight into my decision. Thank you for your special understanding.

  • 14 votes
#23.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 8:32 PM EST
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CitizenX

Hi Gail.

  • 4 votes
Reply#24 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 9:30 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Hi, CitizenX.

  • 4 votes
#24.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:57 PM EST
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Sara G.

Oh, Miss Mule...there is nothing I can say that is anymore profound or loving than what others have said before me...with that said....

As a daughter, sister, grand-daughter, cousin, friend, Aunt, Mother and Grandmother, all 8 of me..*smiles* thanks you for sharing the care and concern, the difficulty and the ease with which you came to be at peace with yourself and your decision....

All 8 of me are Pro-Choice....I applaud your Dr for being such a wonderful person, well informed and caring enough to give you all the options at your disposal....Bless that person....

and bless you, for sharing a side of this story that so few get to see, much less experience through the wonderfully descriptive and honest writing you have done here...

*warm hugs*

~Sara

  • 16 votes
Reply#25 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 10:41 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

It is so good to have you back, Sara G.

  • 7 votes
#25.1 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:59 PM EST
Sara G.

It is so good to have you back, Sara G.

Well thank you Miss. Mule, it is so very nice to come home to friends.

*smiles*

  • 2 votes
#25.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 4:52 PM EST
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Rhazes

When I was 19 my girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me she became pregnant. I suggested abortion calmly and asked what she thought she told me no way she is having one. We never talked about it again.

Our daughter is now 10 and she is beautiful and intelligent. I love her more than anything and the fact that I suggested abortion still haunts me to this day. I wish I could forget.

  • 8 votes
Reply#27 - Mon Feb 1, 2010 11:38 PM EST
SW Missouri Mule

Rhazes, don't let it haunt you. You were very young to be a parent. Of course you suggested it. Very likely others did, too. Most important is that you stayed with your girlfriend. You have a beautiful daughter. You are blessed.

  • 12 votes
#27.1 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:12 AM EST
js-445607

Rhazes, This is the most difficult part of all of this. You made the right decision and ten years down the road you see how your wants would play out and how her needs prevailed and you got the prize. It would be wonderful if this happened every time, but sadly it does not. You should forget, as that glitch does not have to be a part of your child's development history. It has no use any longer.

  • 11 votes
#27.2 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:13 AM EST
Brent-320354

Rhazes, you aren't the only one buddy. I almost made the same mistake. Almost the exact same circumstances (I knew she was off BC; we were using alternatives while she switched pills).

  • 11 votes
#27.3 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 12:16 AM EST
js-445607

My husband insisted I have an abortion, as he didn't want me to have his child. I complied. A few years later, after our divorce I was raped by a man I dated. I conceived and when he told me to abort the baby I said no way, I'd abort him but the baby was mine. Thirty-one years later I am overjoyed by my decision. You simply do not know what life is going to do with you and if you persevere you can trump it time after time.

  • 13 votes
#27.4 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:04 AM EST
SW Missouri Mule

js-445607, now that's a bad story with a good ending. You have wisdom and caring in the words of your other comments. Now I understand why. Thanks you so much for coming here and sharing with us. All voices are needed, especially those with love.

  • 11 votes
#27.5 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:48 AM EST
Kate In Greensboro

All voices are needed, especially those with love.

You can say that again!

  • 7 votes
#27.6 - Tue Feb 2, 2010 11:13 AM EST
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